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Obviously, there has been some animosity between Councilman
Mark McGrath and Councilman Ken Zalewski and it’s nothing but exemplified in
the following email exchange between the two regarding the Time Warner
franchise agreement that’s been in limbo for at about 15 years now.
Then Mayor Mark Pattison had an agreement in the works but
that fell apart and then former Mayor Harry Tutunjian had a deal too but that
one fell apart.
If I remember right, the Pattison deal fell apart because the
city just wanted too much stuff from Time Warner and Time Warner shot it down.
The deal Tutunjian put together, however, in the minds of many, didn’t get enough
from the cable giant, was shot down and the Council formed a committee to study
… I’m not sure what it was formed to study something to do with getting a
franchise agreement in place with Time Warner.
Anyway, here’s the exchange between Zalewski and McGrath
though, I’m guessing if you are interested you probably already read it since
it was cc’ed to everyone and everyone’s proverbial brother.
The one thing I take out of it is that these two guys just
don’t like each other.
From McGrath to
reporter Danielle Sanzone on 5/22/2012 at 8:37 a.m.
Danielle, I was a little confused by a quote in the paper
today "In District 5, one woman wondered about the update for what was
going on with Time Warner cable which at one point had planned to increase
rates to make up for shortages in the city". I was wondering if that
was a quote by you or the women asking the question, for as to the best of
my knowledge the issue wasn't an increase at all but a specific group who wants
public access TV. The fact is Time Warner was going to pay us $90,000 a year
and set up a studio at the Arts Center with $200,000 in equipment. The
$90,000 is a half a tax point which the vast majority of Troy residents will
incur on the upcoming budget. The only increase (or decrease) would have been
if Time Warner builds a studio for public access for this group, that would
come out of the $90,000 and may also raise your rates. They won't do it for
free. In my humble opinion if the city gave the equipment to the
Sanctuary for Independent Media the
group would have jumped for joy and rushed to sign on the dotted line. Thanks
From Zalewski to
McGrath on 5/22/2012 8:43 a.m.
Mark,
Your memory is unfortunately failing you.
Representatives from Time Warner made it clear to us that
there would be a rate increase in order to cover their own underpayment of franchise
fees in the past. It was the nail in the coffin on that proposed
agreement.
I will dig up the e-mails from the Time Warner reps if you
don't believe me.
From Zalewski to
McGrath on 5/22/2012 9:02 a.m.
Mark,
The exact quote from an e-mail (dated Sept 1, 2011) from
John Mucha of Time Warner (via Jeff Pirro) was:
Finally, the franchise fee settlement payment of $200,000
would also result in a pass-through to cable customers in Troy, adding
another $.13 per month to cable bills. So combined with the PEG pass-through,
cable customer bills would increase $.23 per month under the proposed
agreement.
All Council members at the time (including you and me) were
included on that e-mail, in addition to the Times Union, Troy Record,
downtowntroy mailing list, and troygoodneighbor mailing list.
Basically, Time Warner wanted to charge current subscribers
in order to settle their underpayment of franchise fees from past years.
Members of the public cried foul. The Council nixed the proposed
agreement.
From McGrath to
Zalewski on 5/22/2012 10:10 a.m.
Never saw that email and it makes absolutely no sense. Time
Warner will commit to $200,000 in equipment and $90,000 thousand a year but
charge us or our residents the
equivalent
of $200,000 for a one shot deal to balance out a shortage ?
Something's
amiss.
From McGrath to
Zalewski on 5/22/2012 12:18 p.m.
Ken, good try at deception. Any
pass through monies are based on your groups demands that
TW
build them the Public Access studio. The original contract negotiated by the
PSC and
the last administration has no
pass
through increases, for
TW
owes the city money. The rate hikes you embellish on are the result of a
selfish group that puts their demands for their own studio on the vast
majority of
TW
users.
From Zalewski to
McGrath on 5/22/2012 6:35 p.m.
When you use words like "deception", "embellish",
and "selfish", you are lowering the level of discourse and making
unsubstantiated accusations against myself and the citizens who volunteered
their time to review the proposed agreement. Even worse, your statements
are simply not true, as they contradict the very statements made by a Time
Warner representative.
Someone is clearly whispering in your ear about this.
I'd like to know who that is, because they do not understand the issue,
and the misinformation they are giving to you is sullying your own reputation.
Since you have questioned the motivations of the Time Warner
Franchise working group, I have included the members in this response.
They can elaborate on or correct any of my previous statements in this
discussion thread.
If you call up the e-mail from Sept. 1, 2011, you will see
that Mr. Mucha outlined the rate increases that will result from the proposed
agreement.
The $150,000 in PEG access, plus $10,000 for a fiber feed to
City Hall, would cost TW subscribers $0.10 per month. The $200,000
settlement for the underpayment of franchise fees would cost subscribers $0.13
per month. If the City Council had approved the proposed agreement, Time
Warner subscribers would be charged an additional $0.23 per month. That
is not deception - that is fact. You can continue convincing yourself
that it's not true, if that makes you happy or helps to justify your vote in
support of the contract.
Those numbers have nothing to do with the full PEG access
that the committee was seeking - you are conflating the two issues. In
fact, if TW were to provide the City of Troy with $1 million of PEG access -
the "Cadillac" of public access - subscribers would be charged an
extra $0.64 per month.
The real answer here is to create competition, so that Time
Warner might be inclined to lower their rates and offer better public access to
our citizens. That's why the "fiber optic" resolution is
meaningful, and that's why Mayor Rosamilia's signing of the broadband carrier
anti-collusion letter was so important.
From McGrath to
Zalewski on 5/22/2012 9:02 p.m.
Ken, you victimize yourself with my supposed discourse then
accuse me of being led (Someone is clearly whispering in your ear about this).
What a hypocrite. I was clear then as I am now, YOU are costing the citizens of
Troy a half a point in a tax increase. I told you then and I will point you
out in November at the budget hearings. Again, please try to
expose the facts instead of your skewed perception. There was no increase
in rates based on the initial contract, it was you and your mostly outside of
Troy
brethren that would
force an increase by your selfish demands. "Someone is clearly
whispering in your ear about this" ? Ken...I know right from wrong, you've
proved by your recent votes you don't.
From Jim DeSeve to
McGrath on 5/22/2012 at 10:30 p.m.
now, now Mark... let's be civil. :)
From Andrew Lynn to everyone on 5/22/2012 at 10:24 p.m.
Hi everyone,
I am respectfully requesting to be removed from the
working group, but I would like to leave some final comments in hopes that they
might be taken to heart.
First off, to be clear, it is the spitefulness of Mr.
McGrath's tongue in these last few emails that has turned me off from being
involved in this conversation. This is
not dialogue. It is insult hurling, and
it is divisive.
Perhaps this is the nature of all communication within the council, but If this is what dialogue has been
reduced to, then so be it... just count me out.
I would like to focus, however, on one thing in particular that has been a common
theme of his. This is this notion that a
public access center, be it in the Arts Center, Troy High, or some other
facility, is a "selfish demand". This is an absurd untruth, and as someone
who has spent years working in a public access center serving
others 40 hours a week (youth of all different backgrounds, in my case), it is
personally insulting and upsetting. I am
also worried that if repeated enough, someone might actually believe him.
Those of us who came together to form the working group
(previously sarcastically referred to as Mr. Zalewski's "brethren")
do not have any selfish interests in a public access center. We were selected and volunteered for the
working group because of our varied experiences in the field of Access as
workers, educators, and organizers. It
was clear to us that TW would (and will) give Troy the shortest end of the
stick it can, and it is clear to us that without professional negotiators on
board, we will get screwed by the corporation.... and yes... even then, cable
bills will continue to incrementally go up as the years go by.
A Public Access TV station in Troy would make a more
vibrant community through participatory media.
It would be an outlet for personal expression of all people of Troy and
it would increase political dialogue amongst disenfranchised communities. From my point of view, it appears that fear
of free expression, and political participation is at the heart of the distrust
in the necessary contract negotiation process.
I presume that I will be personally attacked in
subsequent emails for these comments. I
do not intend to defend myself in this bizarre forum. However, I
hope that if there are people actually interested in my opinions, you will contact me personally.
Sincerely,
Andrew Lynn
-former Youth Education Coordinator of Manhattan
Neighborhood Network (04-07) -Co-Director of Troy Bike Rescue -Adjunct
Professor of Digital Media at Hudson Valley Community College -Freelance Media
Worker with the Sanctuary for Independent Media
From Zalewski to
McGrath on 5/22/2012 at 10:40 p.m.
The Council voted down an inadequate contract, plain and
simple. Before you talk about "costing the citizens of Troy a tax
increase", did you calculate what the contract would cost those citizens
who utilize Time Warner's services? Do you think Time Warner subscribers
should pay increased fees in order to give the average Troy taxpayer a $15 tax
break?
As for the "mostly out of Troy brethren", the
working group was comprised of myself, Bill Dunne, Dean Bodnar, Amy Williams,
Jeff Pirro, Jim de Seve, Regina Keenan, Andrew Lynn, Jason Martin, Steve
Pierce, and Jim Welch. Out of those 11 individuals, two of them (Steve
and JimW) do not live within the city limits. If that is your definition
of "mostly", then we can stop here - all has become clear to me.
I am sorry that you choose to ignore the facts, which are in
dispute by no one other than yourself. I guess you know more than the
folks that do this for a living. Silly me.
From Zalewski to McGrath on 5/22/2012 at 10:53 p.m.
Mark, once again, you are wrong. The proposed
agreement would indeed have triggered a rate hike. Please read Mr.
Mucha's statement, pasted below once again for you:
Finally, the franchise fee settlement payment of $200,000
would also result in a pass-through to cable customers in Troy, adding
another $.13 per month to cable bills. So combined with the PEG pass-through,
cable customer bills would increase $.23 per month under the proposed
agreement.
Allow
me to quote the pertinent line:
So combined with the
PEG pass-through, cable customer bills would increase $.23 per month under the
proposed agreement.
That
is Mr. Mucha commenting on the proposed agreement. If the Council
approved the proposed agreement, rates would increase by $0.23 per month per
subscriber. What part of this are you not understanding? Are you
calling the Time Warner rep a liar? If so, then that's an interesting
twist, and an angle that I had not considered.
From McGrath to
DeSeve on 5/22/2012 10:57 at p.m.
Jim, you should have seen the stuff I deleted !
LOL..Jim,
you know we've debated and agreed and disagreed about issues, I always respect
your or
any ones opinion for I do
realize I'm quite often wrong. What I do get my back up on though is
blatant dishonesty.
I'm done with this, shootings
in the streets tonight, innocent girl caught in a crossfire. I'll be
screaming 'Street Crimes Unit' in the morning. Good luck with the studio. :)
Thanks
From McGrath to
Zalewski on 5/22/2012 at 11:00 p.m.
Again, the email about the pass through was after the
council shot the deal down and demanded
TW build a studio. Ken,
we're done.
From Steve Pierce of the Sanctuary of Independent Media to
Zalewski on Wed 5/23/2012 on 12:23 a.m.
I appreciate your shining a light on these exchanges but
I respectfully submit that they are a waste of everyone's time. While I admit to a certain fascination with
the rantings of people who speak so forcefully on matters about which they know
so little, in the end there is nothing special about this phenomenon in Troy's
recent history. I hoped we had moved
beyond this level of public discourse.
The Time Warner contract is worth more than a third of a
billion dollars of Troy consumers' hard-earned money over ten years. Federal cable law defines what can be
required in return for allowing use of public rights-of-way in this
exceptionally lucrative franchise agreement.
t's easy enough to compare the cable rates in
communities that have PEG cable access (and the other benefits of the Cable
Act) with the rates in communities that do not.
A cursory investigation will reveal that the major difference is not
what subscribers pay each month, but rather what they receive for their money.
With so much at stake, the key issue is knowledge and
independence. The "free"
consultants from the Public Service Commission are knowledgeable but will
themselves admit that they are not independent: they are NOT ALLOWED to
advocate on behalf of the public they ostensibly serve in these
negotiations. And the advocates of the
last, failed contract proposal in Troy are neither knowledgable nor
independent.
The area of municipal cable franchise negotiations has
been well defined for decades and there are independent consultants who do it
well, relatively unencumbered by local and state politics. There is so much to be gained that would
benefit our city and, especially, its youths.
But going up against a wealthy multinational corporation ready and
willing to play hardball is never easy, especially when there are hundreds of
millions of dollars at stake.
The past administration let us all down, squandering
years of hard work and an investment of tens of thousands of dollars in the
franchise negotiation process. It's time
for the City of Troy to get serious about this contract. It's going to take some time, effort and
resources--but we're talking about a deal worth more than 300 million dollars.
From McGrath to
Pierce on 5/23/2012 at 7:55 a.m.
Steve, speaking of ranting, one of my favorite
rants was when you publicly accused the PSC of being in bed with Time
Warner. Glad to see they're out of bed and just inept now ! Thanks
From Zalewski to
McGrath on 5/23/2012 at 8:45 a.m.
No, that's not correct. The e-mail from Time Warner
outlining the increase in cable rates was sent before the Sept. 1 vote.
In fact, it was the catalyst for an almost-unanimous rejection of the
contract - you being the lone dissenter.
Again, it's very simple. Whatever Time Warner gives to
a municipality - whether it's franchise fees, equipment, settlements, or public
access - the costs are borne by the subscribers. They are clearly
outlined on the bill (a copy of which Mr. Mucha also attached to his e-mail) as
"State/loc Franchise Fee" and "PEG Access Fee".
You are suggesting otherwise. Your suggestion is not
grounded in reality.
And Mark, you don't get to call me a liar, using terms like
"deception" and "blatant dishonesty", and then end the
conversation when you are proven wrong. There are many individuals
included on this discussion thread. If I am misstating anything, I am
certain I would be called out on it - and I would welcome that. However,
to maintain that I am intentionally being dishonest to my constituents and
colleagues is a baseless and defamatory accusation, and has absolutely no place
in any conversation.
Even though you are incorrect in your assertions, I am not
suggesting that you are a liar or that you are trying to deceive people.
So please afford me the same courtesy.
From McGrath to
Zalewski on 5/23/2012 at 10:13 a.m.
One last time....the initial contract negotiated by the
PSC and
the last administration with Time Warner had no rate hike. When you and others
got involved with additional proposals is when the rate hikes were calculated
by Time Warner. Please refrain from emailing me anymore. Thanks