Troy could have a part time police commissioner (UPDATE)
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| TEDESCO |
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| MAGNETTO |
UPDATE: I'm told that Tedesco was called into City Hall today and told there would be no police commissioner. Though, I'm sure that was the plan yesterday, I'm told City Hall will be putting out a statement today saying it's not going to happen.
According to my sources, there is talk of adding $30,000 to the Police Department budget to hire a part time police commissioner. It’s unclear if it will be a line item transfer in this year’s spending plan or will be included in the one being formulated right now for next year’s.
According to my sources, there is talk of adding $30,000 to the Police Department budget to hire a part time police commissioner. It’s unclear if it will be a line item transfer in this year’s spending plan or will be included in the one being formulated right now for next year’s.
Those same sources tell me it will be Tony Magnetto, the longtime, well-respected Troy cop who retired shortly after then-Mayor Harry Tutunjian picked Police Chief John Tedesco to head up the department in 2010 instead of Magnetto or Deputy Chief Buddy McAvoy. At the time it came down to the three men and Tutunjian went with Tedesco, McAvoy became the number two guy and Magnetto number three.
Safe to say, it really hasn’t been
smooth sailing. The powerful Police Benevolent Association, headed up by Bob
Fitzgerald, was not behind Tedesco from the get go and Tedesco did little to
foster that relationship by trying to shake up the department. He took officers
out of the schools fulltime, who were there even in the summer, broke up the
Special Operations Section, long considered to be a place where officers can go
into semi-retirement and pad their pensions, and shook up the Emergency
Response Team, who he thought could be more efficient. He also cut overtime
across the board, something near and dear to the PBA heart, and brought a no
nonsense management style to the TPD where the union has ruled the roost for
years.
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| NICHOLS |
The anti-Tedesco forces – including many on the Council loyal to the PBA, in particular Councilwoman Nina Nichols, who heads up the Public Safety Committee – get practically a boost a day given the number of shootings this year and, of course, most recently, some nut-job running around the city burning up buildings.
Thing is, I don’t know if that’s Tedesco’s
fault or not. Of course, there was crime under Tutunjian, but Tutunjian let the
chief run the department and it wasn’t like it is today. A shooting is one
thing and they happen in every city in the country, setting blocks of the city
on fire is just crazy. A fight once in a while is one thing, the massive brawl
that occurred on Sixth Avenue Monday night is another. It’s getting out of
control and that’s the bottom line.
However, bringing in a police
commissioner on a part time basis just to undermine the chief because he
ruffled some feathers in the union certainly won’t go very far to solve the
problem. When you have the Indians trying to be chief, and you have politicians
catering to those Indians, the city burns. And in this case … literally.
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| FITZGERALD |
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| RYAN |
It comes down the contract too. I’m
hearing the PBA is close to an agreement which includes a 2 percent raise last
year – the PBA has been without one since the end of 2010 – no raise this year
and some other perks including more vacation time and other time off. Tedesco,
who has been negotiating contracts for decades, wasn’t invited to the table.
This is where policy things could be negotiated, like the inane seniority clause, so you would think the chief would be invited. Instead it was just Deputy Mayor Peter Ryan and Fitzgerald playing cards. I like
both guys, but if I had to bet on which one would win a poker game, my money is
on Fitzgerald every day.
Labels: fitzgerald, Magnetto, McAvoy, nichols, ryan, Tedesco, Tutunjian
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68 Comments:
The appointment of Tedesco was one of the few appointments Harry got right. So a minister is now running the department. Imagine that.
Been saying the same things you mentioned for awhile now about the issues going on at the TPD concerning Tedesco. Of course crime happened under other Chiefs/ Mayors, no one can dispute this. Too many of Tedesco's changes have had a direct impact on the current situation we have now in Troy.
The Mayor is trying, I can see that, but he does not have a background in policing and relies on what Tedesco tells him, without any other input to the contrary. Too many officers have made complaints about his leadership style, and that's a problem. The TPD's officers literally survive on their colleagues having their backs, they don't have that with Tedesco. Big mistake.
His poor treatment and dismissal of Councilwoman Nichols was deplorable. It was blatantly disrespectful at a council meeting when all she was doing was asking questions her constituents have asked her to ask (be it Fitzgerald or not).
We aren't always going to like what a public official decides, or every policy implemented, but there are way too many red flags about Tedesco. He may have the background, but not everyone is qualified to lead on this scale. He needs to step down or get used to someone overseeing his policies.
Hire a commissioner.
Fitzy and Ryan are in cahoots. Stop by City Hall and hear the laughter in that office 5 days a week, as these two guys plan the takeover strategy.
PBA plans to bankrupt the city, and that is fine with the apathetic / unemployed / primarily invalid Troy Democratic voting population.
Tedesco runs TPD with business sense, but that has little value in this entitlement-minded city.
Drive the efficient Police Cheif out, and drain the budget in exchange for votes. It's fine. That's the Troy Democratic way. The Republican voting population is too busy working to care about any of it.
It's all Dunne's fault.
Nice try SILT. Apologizing for Nina and her anonymous sources. What a pathetic comment. Discrediting the mayor and the chief while propping up a preacher who just landed in Troy a few years ago. Certainly a convicted felon who distributed narcotics can sit on the the council and team up with the preacher to oversee the police. Congratulations Troy, you got what you deserve. Have a blessed day.
SomebOdy needs to step in and end the madness and tell Tedesco to hit the road and take his three followers with him!
To blame Nichols is foolish. This was a mess long before she was elected. They said the same thing about the last council and the PBA vs. the chief. And for the record, I am an educated, employed Democrat. And if we are so apathetic, how come we kicked Republican butt in the last few elections in Troy?
Reality to Troy. Nina Nichols is in over her head. Just another empty suit. It is time for real leaders to stand up andtake back our city from carpetbaggers just looking for a paycheck.
As a lifelong Democrat I wish I could take my vote back from Nina Nichols and a couple other on the council. This city has never been more in a mess in my 40 years here. What experience does she have to oversee a police and fire dept. I thought she was a pastor
How has the cut in overtime helped the city out? How has that worked out for us? Worried for your friend Jim? Tedesco should just retire, collect his fat retirement negotiated years ago by the ruthless PBA and let McAvoy run the department.
Yes EETD. Democrats won and looked at the mess you created. We are in the hook for over $300k for your educated voter fraud mess. You know the one when your guys took advantage of the poor people you guys supposedly care about. You Democrats have made the city a laughingstock. Bd proud of that.
The nice thing about having Magnetto as the Commish is that at least he lives in Troy, as does McAvoy. Our current Chief of Police is a resident of The Colonie section of Watervliet. Many of our Troy cops live outside of the city, even one that lives in rural area of Washington County, which is a 45 minute drive. Personally, I believe that if you work for the city of Troy, then you should be required to maintain residency in the city during your tenure as an employee, not just when you are appointed.
rabbit doesnt even pay taxes. hes a renter
Really anonymous, putting Nina Nichols down because she is a minister? Wow, since when does that matter? It doesn't so move on. As for her just coming to Troy, Tedesco lives in Colonie, not in Troy, so that argument is zilch as far as I am concerned. He goes home to peace and quiet while we hear gunshots, sirens and fear that our homes are going to be set on fire.
To another anonymous "Tedesco runs this dept. with business sense" Well, its obvious he is not using his policing sense to run it. Right now the city needs a chief to use his policing skills to combat the serious issues we have right now. Who cares about the budget when people are being shot and people are becoming homeless because of a psycho.
Get your priorities straight, human lives or a budget!
harry tutunjian didn't pick john tedesco because he was the best chioce of the three. He just did what he usually did, he made a deal with the devil in what was his one final attempt to attack the police union and Bob Fitzgerald.
tedesco didn't take cops out of the schools because it was a good idea. He took them out to cut costs at the expense of safety!
tedesco didn't assail the older cops working the drug unit because they were lazy. He attempted to assassinate their character because they uncovered a drug ring close to harry's administration.
tedesco didnt attempt to destroy the SWAT team because they weren't needed. He was trying to cut costs and strengthen the office of the sheriff (republican office). Anyone in the know, knows that the republican party was trying to consolodate its strength at the county level last election, EVEN AT THE JEOPARDY OF PUBLIC SAFETY IN TROY!
tedesco is just a republican operative. He still works for harry tutunjian. He is the inside man, and he is working to get harry back in the mayoral seat. He makes no attempt to work with Lou Rosemelia's administration not the public safety committee. He cannot be objective and impartial in his duties as chief. He has his own personal agenda, and that agenda does not take into account public safety, only his appearance as it relates to his ability as chief. This is just a game of public perception, with no real content beneath his shirt; his shirt with 4 stars.
TONY DON'T FORGET HE CHASED YOU OUT IF IT IS YOU FOR COMMISSIONER DONT COUNT MCAVOY OUT JIM
Hey, I have an idea. If it comes to pushing Tedesco out how about hiring someone from outside. Someone with out ties to this City.
Whats the big dea l about Ms. Nichols not being qualified to look after the police? What did Harry do before he got into politics, He painted frigging cars ! Yet Troy republicans will continue to attempt to shovel down our throats what a great job Harry did as mayor. What people do before they get elected doesn't matter . We had an auto body guy run this city like a nazi!! That was fine. Troy republicans, smartin up ! Didnt you learn anything from the pounding you took in November?
No room for Teddy
Time for a vacation,
I sure hope he's ready.
Cuz in Lou's administration,
There's no room for Teddy.
The city is burning,
theres so much to say.
Teddy is learning,
of his judgement day.
A new Commish,
to stifle little Teddy.
That's Lou's newest wish,
and I think he's ready.
So pack up your bags.
and clear out your desk.
Here comes Tony Mags,
to clean up your mess.
Your plans have all backfired,
They just didn't work.
It made you look tired,
like a four starred jerk.
But fret not little guy,
retirement is fun.
so give it a try;
just leave your badge and your gun.
Yes Fitzie's the winner,
and this might sound petty.
but at the PBA Dinner,
There's no room for Teddy!
Heard Lou is not to happy with Fitzie for leaking the story.......Lou, Fitzie will be your downfall.
If the update remains in effect (meaning the administration doesn't change its tune again), that means Wade is getting tired of Fitzy pushing his weight around.
John Tedesico has thirty years experience, Pete has been deputy mayor for eight months, Fitzie say no negiotiations if Tedesco is in the room.......get rid of Fitzie.
Hard to believe that this is being driven by a convicted felon. How about if Nina & the convicted felon let the chief do the police work --which he's pretty good at, and know's what he's doing.
Carpetbaggers just looking for a paycheck? Didn't Harry have to move to Troy from Brunswick after he was elected to the council? Nichols is about 100x more qualified to do the job than Has Been Harry ever was.
It's still Dunne's fault.
Fitzie was tellin some fellow cops he talks to Magnetto daily, seems Magnetto has a couple of kids gettin married and told Fitzie he needs about 30 grand to cover the weddings.
Just watched John Mcloughlin on ch13 interviewing Councilwoman Nina Nichols. She is an absolute disgrace to our city, she thinks she is an expert in public safety OMG. Kevin Mcgrath and Nina Nichols are the cause of all these problems....a convicted drug dealer and a minister! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As with most police stories, this was leaked by the PD, not city hall or the council. Tedesco and Has Been Harry meet regularly to plot. The meeting at city hall was attended by (shockingly) Mark McGrath, who clearly is running the PD. Mayor Lou, please show some backbone. Department morale is terrible and the SCU is not the answer.
John Tedesco lies, lies and lies again and again! Time for him to go, we need a man with integrity. Lou, this media circus could have even avoided if you did the correct thing in January. The chief is making you a laughing stock!
Lou, FYI Your the mayor not Harry!
Nina you must be something from the pulpit on Sunday morning! Just watched you on 13. The way you handdle your self was really some thing to see. All that prep work from Kevin McGrath and Fitzy really paid off. You really made an impression on Big Johnny Mac, and who knew you where an impressionist? Your Ralf Kramden was spot on! HUMUNAH...HUMUNAH...HUMUNAH... I'm still sore from laughing! Morale that first thing on your list for public safety who cares about the fires and the shootings as long as moral is up? The boys prepared you well once again! Now my favorite part the quivering lip! Know I know why Kevin McGrath picked you to be the spokesperson! Nothing and I mean nothing portrays leadership like a quivering lip.......we'll flop sweating does but I'm sure big John left that on the cutting room floor. It truly was a big night for you Nina now go have a smoke and a nice glass of merlot at Laportos you did a helluva job today! You made the boys proud!
Jim there is nothing more that I enjoy than cutting coupons and saving money in the Record every day. But I have to tell you Mr Franco that the coupon in todays paper was for $30k times 4 years makes it worth $120k. Thank God you exposed that nugget this morning and better yet that your pressure made them get rid of it by the end of the day. Thank You Jim Franco for exposing this and making it go away. You truly are for the people of Troy that love your paper.
Nina thought They said you can't speed got to Dale Earnhardt for help.........what they said was you can't speak go to Dale Carnegie for help. Your in the deep end of the pool Nina and your not ready.
I guess if you're a pastor all is okay....of course lets remember the priests that had sex with all the little boys...not much creditation should be given to the field like years ago it's all different now, different agendas also. What pastor in her own church would endorse homosexuality? Would that be blastamous in the Bible? She's for homosexuality but don't smoke. OK lol.
Isn't Fitzgerald the guy who is suing the city for "emotional damages"? Anyone who would file a selfish, crybaby claim like that shouldn't be taken seriously.
Tutunjian ran the city and Tedesco ran the PD. Whether you like them or not, they make their own decisions and speak for themselves.
For some reason, the current nice administration seems to prefer taking orders from people like Wade, Nichols, Fitzgerald, Billy Dunne, etc.
Lou has taken on the Mayor role with the energy and command presence of a disinterested substitute teacher.
Stop with the personal attacks and focus on the facts.
FACT: Chief takes credit for crime stats in 2010 and 2011. But somehow the current spike isn't his fault? He's chief and they are his policies.
FACT: Chief endorses elimination of SCU in favor of his policies, which he claims will make things better. Now he wants SCU back. Looks like his PD master plan failed.
FACT: Apparent explosion of gang activity and little insight into who the actors are. Police have not intel due to Tedesco's PD reorganization and elimination of SOS,cops in schools and changes to community police.
FACT: Tedesco's policies have failed.
FACT: Time for a change.
You can't make this sh_ _ up! god bless the Troy voters! I can see why you dont care about voter fraud.....you don't understand it. You got what you deserve a convicted drug dealer pulling the strings in the police dept. WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Funny how some of you are choosing to zero in on Nina Nichols chosen profession as a point of contention. It also does not escape me that sexism is at play here too, and your putting the 'Good Ole Boys Club' pressure on her, simply because she asks the questions that no one else dares to ask and it makes you nervous. What's the matter? A female who actually has the guts to stand up to a man who has an overly puffed up ego, wow this must really scare you that she could uncover and destroy the political puppetry.
All it is doing is blowing smoke in a pathetic attempt to take the heat off Tedesco, and his inner dealings within the Republican party.
It would be very, very interesting if the Record followed up on the claim of one of the posters here to look into the possibility there was a cover-up about a drug ring close to good ole Harry. I for one do believe there is truth to that statement. Perhaps why no one wants Tedesco to do anything about the crime here in Troy.
How compelling!
Tedesco doesn't know what he is doing!! Is everyone seeing that now? He got rid of all the programs to save money and now look where we are? It is really scary. The only thing he cares about is saving money and proving that HE IS THE BOSS MAN!!! From what I hear, that's what little people do. I don't know if Tony would be the right man for the Commis job - to me, I think Lou should have Chief Kaiser come back part time. When he was here, we didn't have all this crime and he actually knew what he was doing. What I do know is Tedesco was promoted to Asst Chief in the dead of night, then was promoted to save money and not because he was the best for the job and the City of Troy is paying for it. He is rude, crude and arrogant to everyone unless he wants something. HE NEEDS TO GO!!!!
I wonder how Tedesco feels now that someone else is trying to take his job. He tried to get Chief Kaiser fired for years. How does it feel JT? Karma is a bitch. Tutunjian can't be there to protect you forever and you actually HAVE TO DO YOU JOB WELL to keep it!
HARRY YOU OK DID YOU FORGET YOUR NOT MAYOR ANYMORE
TEDESCO DID GREAT WITH HIS CHANGES CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL LOOK AT THE STATS NOW CANT SIT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE THANKS CHIEF
Jim Gordons letter about anonymous bloggers killing harry ? How many anonymous blogs just on this thread are from Jeff Pirro, Dan Crawley, and KING HARRY. What is sad is that Jim knows this, yet he writes a letter crying about it. They really dont seem to get it!
Former police officers should find more productive things to do in retirement, other than play on Facebook & political blogs. Wouldn't you agree 11:42am?
Well, anonymous @ 2:23pm isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, seeing as you are 'playing' on them as well. I wonder if you're doing it on the County/ City dime, I bet the voting/ taxpayer public would LOVE to know.
When is the truth coming out about how Harry lied about the City Center project? Affordable housing on the water front? Way bigger issue that this.
Didn't see Nina at cigar night tonight at Laportos. Kevin McGrath threw her to the curb after she blacked out on the news the other night and Fitz won't return her calls or prayers. Lay with dogs and you get fleas that's this weeks lesson Rev.
Nina is in so far over her head it's embarrassing. Just the fact that she's chosen to hop on Kevin McGrath's bandwagon says all anyone needs to know about her.
Those same cops need to not drive on fourth near the city pool
Mr wright did it for the kids lol
The sordid mess that is Kevin McGrath is poisoning the seriousness of this issue. Kevin, please go away. You are killing the PD. We don't want or need your support. Tedesco will get one of us killed.
Fact: The "Good Ole Boys Club" has always been in a position of power in Troy.
Fact: JT and Many others have had SO many issues of corruption surrounding them, yet they still seem to come out with a seat of power.
Fact: There are still so many sneeky practices still occurring in Troy and disention in the ranks from those who protect and serve and the FD. IAD and the Mayor should sit down and chat.
Fact: NYC sends messages to their undesireables that Albany, Schenectady and TROY are the places to go to set up shop and get handouts.
Fact:Attacking Nichols who has to choose her questions and answers wisely because of the way the press has manipulated and twisted her views is another attrosity.
Fact: Nichols may be over her head, but truely has been the one who questions and has stirred up the Good Ole Boys club and does want positive change for the city.
Fact: Lets cut the BS and put our energy where our words are and make some positive, productive changes and quit pointing fingers.
Fact: WE ALL need to reclaim our own back yard and our city.
Nina -- Fitzy is a cancer
Nichols is not in over her head. She's the real deal. She cares about and supports people, including the cop on the beat. Talk to her. She is very, very smart. She has Troy's best interests at heart.
Nina Nichols is the boggest joke in the City of troy. Nothing but a lapdog and mouthpiece for Fitzie
Jim saw you on with Paul again. Do you watch the replays ? I hope for your sake you get a public sector job because if the Record folds you're in trouble. It's embarrassing to watch. Be careful Jim, you might end up like John Sweeney .
Nina Nichols is an articulate, intelligent elected representative. She is the Chairperson of the City Council Public Safety Committee. She has every right, in fact a sworn obligation, to ask questions, serious, tough questions, of the Chief of Police and the Chief of the Fire dept and the Mayor himself for that matter. She is a representative of the PEOPLE and as part of the legislative branch of government has a duty to perform these tasks of oversight for the people she represents.The problem is a Police Chief who does not respect this constitutional obligation and feels threatened by her dedication to her mission and exhibits an unprecedented level of disrespect and hostility toward the process,at public meetings and in full view of the Mayor without any fear of sanction or accountability setting a terrible example for his officers.
"Harry Lied", you may want to re-read this article from over a year ago, which outlines the developers plan in detail:
http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/2011/07/03/news/doc4e10003a663a2578537710.txt?mobRedir=false
No, Harry and his promised waterfront gamechanger is the biggest joke in Troy.
PS: Try spellcheck next time.
I read the article. It does not say much. Once the entire plan was fully revealed, it was shown to be 2/3 low-income housing. At that point, Harry went on TV and said the plan changed after her left and that it did not include low income housing. So what's the truth?
http://albarchive.merlinone.net/mweb/wmsql.wm.request?oneimage&imageid=18369819
From the article:
On Friday, I asked Tutunjian if he and other city officials were intentionally hiding the project's affordable-housing component.
"I don't believe so," he said. "Not to my knowledge, no."
Tutunjian, now a member of the Rensselaer County legislature, claimed he was given a false impression, too. He said he was not aware that the project included affordable housing. He surmised that it may have been added after he left office.
Liar, liar pants on fire, Harry. Worse then voter fraud. This lie affects over 50,000 people.
Gee, Harry lied about the projects affortable housing component, just add it to the other lies of deceit and corruption he has tried to cover up during his 8 year reign of terror, and the convicted drug dealer calling rthe shots on the city counsel , he won with 70% both times . Squeaky clean go getter Jim Gordon got blown out twice trying to get elected. What does that say about the Troy republicans when their all-american apple pie poster boy gets blown out and a convicted felon wins with 70%. To me it says Troy is tired of Harry and the rest of his puppets
The more Nina Nichols opens her mouth and tries to convince anyone that will listen that she is "articulate" the more everyone realizes she is in over her head and not as smart as she thinks she is.
the convicted felon with 70% of the vote, that was before everyone knew he was a convicted felon..before he omitted that fact, do you really he think the numbers would be same if the people knew the facts...doubtful!!
@6:04 dont you need a rehab to go into??
One thing Harry didn't lie about was his past. Nor does he lie about his sobriety. And I don't think that Harry has those extra skeletons in his closet -- like the skeleton's in someone else's closet that are soon to come out. Now those additional skeletons, added to the other skeletons that came out during the voter fraud trail, are really going to make people say --hmmmmmmmmmmmm Big Brother can only watch out for so long
@6:04 why are you posting anonymous, you are on your Troy page calling people cowards for doing just that, your easy to figure out cause after all this time you STILL dont know how to spell "council"..you really have no room to talk about or judge anyone, you should spend more time improving your way of life then bashing people.
hey 6:04 this is not Harry OR Jeff..there's a lot more people in this city that think your a tool than you can imagine.
like shoplifters
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