The SCU and Dave Dean (UPDATED)
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Wow, you guys are harder than
herding cats. I throw something out there – the last post about the verbal
sparring between Councilman Mark McGrath
and Ken Zalewski - and you want to talk about the Street Crimes Unit, which McGrath wants re-instated.
OK. I can do that.
The one poster, anonymous 4:27 p.m. on the last post, got it partially correct.
The SCU worked so well because of Dave Dean, and part of why he made it work so well was because he, with Chief Nick Kaiser's (my mistake, I thought it was under Tedesco) blessing, picked who he thought was right for the job. In other words, it wasn’t up to what cop had seniority it was up to who was the best fit or the SCU.
OK. I can do that.
The one poster, anonymous 4:27 p.m. on the last post, got it partially correct.
The SCU worked so well because of Dave Dean, and part of why he made it work so well was because he, with Chief Nick Kaiser's (my mistake, I thought it was under Tedesco) blessing, picked who he thought was right for the job. In other words, it wasn’t up to what cop had seniority it was up to who was the best fit or the SCU.
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| TEDESCO |
Anyway, the SCU under Dean did a
bunch of different things – some of which bordered on racial profiling, others
which bordered on trouncing on our Constitutional rights. And other things that
were just plain old profiling and plain old stomping on the Constitution.
Sometimes they would be in uniform strutting their stuff so people in the “good” people in the neighborhoods could see them. Other times they would be hiding in the bushes staking out a known drug dealer just waiting for him to make a sale before they pounced. Other times they would make arrests for little things like jaywalking and loitering just to see if those who dared cross a street outside the white lines or hung out on the corner were up to something more sinister. Often times they were.
In the end, it was an extremely effective unit because the bad guys knew who they were and the bad guys really didn’t want to mess with them. They made a ton of arrests, and I’m sure they weren’t too nice about things in the process. In other words, as Dean told Metroland, he wasn’t afraid “to use his elbows.” As such, when the unit was first formed, he picked other guys with the same crime fighting philosophy, so to speak, without worrying about who had what seniority.
However, I don’t think then Mayor Harry Tutunjian disbanded the SCU because it became a waste of money. I think it was more part of the ongoing feud between the chief and the PBA. Also, while the SCU did make a ton of arrests, I don’t think it’s absence is the reason behind the recent spate the city is experiencing, or even if there is a statistically significant spike. Furthermore, while the SCU was effective, some of its techniques did cross the line of fighting crime into stomping on civil liberties. I guess it’s a balancing act the SCU under Dean tipped in towards fighting crime.
However, it did work and it's not like they were targetting choir boys and/or girls.
As a note: I've gotten some comments about how the officers bid into the SCU and have talked to some people and I honestly don't remember. I could have sworn the members were picked rather than allowed to bid into the unit based on seniority but I could be wrong.
What I do know is that after it was created by Dave Dean, the leadership position did go out to bid and it went to Sgt. Guido Gabriel, who had more seniority. The city didn't like how it was going - or at least liked how it was going better under Dean and put Dean back in. The PBA sued, won $5,000 and Gabriel was back in charge.
Sometimes they would be in uniform strutting their stuff so people in the “good” people in the neighborhoods could see them. Other times they would be hiding in the bushes staking out a known drug dealer just waiting for him to make a sale before they pounced. Other times they would make arrests for little things like jaywalking and loitering just to see if those who dared cross a street outside the white lines or hung out on the corner were up to something more sinister. Often times they were.
In the end, it was an extremely effective unit because the bad guys knew who they were and the bad guys really didn’t want to mess with them. They made a ton of arrests, and I’m sure they weren’t too nice about things in the process. In other words, as Dean told Metroland, he wasn’t afraid “to use his elbows.” As such, when the unit was first formed, he picked other guys with the same crime fighting philosophy, so to speak, without worrying about who had what seniority.
However, I don’t think then Mayor Harry Tutunjian disbanded the SCU because it became a waste of money. I think it was more part of the ongoing feud between the chief and the PBA. Also, while the SCU did make a ton of arrests, I don’t think it’s absence is the reason behind the recent spate the city is experiencing, or even if there is a statistically significant spike. Furthermore, while the SCU was effective, some of its techniques did cross the line of fighting crime into stomping on civil liberties. I guess it’s a balancing act the SCU under Dean tipped in towards fighting crime.
However, it did work and it's not like they were targetting choir boys and/or girls.
As a note: I've gotten some comments about how the officers bid into the SCU and have talked to some people and I honestly don't remember. I could have sworn the members were picked rather than allowed to bid into the unit based on seniority but I could be wrong.
What I do know is that after it was created by Dave Dean, the leadership position did go out to bid and it went to Sgt. Guido Gabriel, who had more seniority. The city didn't like how it was going - or at least liked how it was going better under Dean and put Dean back in. The PBA sued, won $5,000 and Gabriel was back in charge.
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Dave Deans' interview with Metroland came after he finished trolling their personal ads for his next victim. SCU worked inspite of him not because of him. Take a walk through the "hood" some night alone and then tell me there's no need for SCU.
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The two greatest contributions to the city of Troy from Gloversville Jim Franco and Tim Mattice kind of reminds you of the movie Twins.
Anyone think that Harry balancing the budget by cutting police OT might be the problem?
we would say in the past that violent crime happened in albany and schenectady but in troy we were spared that situation. now it seems we have fallen into the same mess as our neighboring cities. something has to be done and done quickly. i am a supporter of the new mayor but he gave peace a chance now its time for a different approach.
Now you went and did it Jim Gordon! Be prepared for a letter from Kevin McGrath daughter telling you why your wrong and the Kevin didn't grow up with a father and he lived in Corliss Park for an hour and a half and he coaches kids. Jim your not doing it for the kids! The FAMILY is not happy with you Jim!
Don't think it's Harry's fault. You might might to look at the PBA interference factor, and groups like TRIP & Unity House supplying us with all the downstate crime element. Glad the city council is protecting us from feral cats and those damn smokers though.
wow! he looks like in good shape.lmao
I am so sick of hearing that the PBA is to blame for everything. The PBA is within their rights to fight for what is right. Obviously your readers have no idea how a binding contract works, All party's involved are to go by the contract, not just when it's good for them. The PBA, The chief and the Mayor all agreed to and signed the contract. The PBA is doing the right thing when they go by what,s in the contract. It,s the Chief and the Old Mayor that likes to violate the contract. So put the blame where it belongs. It ' s the political factor not the PBA. I hope the new mayor will open his eyes and do what is right for the citizens of Troy and not the party , Start by hiring a Police commissioner So we can end all of the bickering and let the Police do their job, They know how to clean up the streets but the Chief won't let them, He has no idea how to. He needs to go........
Desperate people do desperate things,,,all the people who are moving to Troy are DESPERATE,,,!!!!! Troy isn't getting any middle class, Why?Because we have an abundance of social services families moving to our city,,Easy access to free first months rent plus security to landlords these landlords take the bait then it's all problems from there,,,and our city has become a haven for these type of people and these type of programs!!! CITY COUNCIL MUST PUSH FOR NEW LAWS THAT GIVE CODE ACCESS TO LANDLORDS WHO HAVE BUILDING IN NEED OF FACADE REPAIR,,,,we need to get code access into theses properties and that's the way in once in let code write up these building and give the landlord 30 days to fix the problem and if it's not fixed code has access to the inside of these dumps,,,,code can shut down a lot of these dumps that house crime ridden families in our city,,,give code more power and more money,,,, there the ones that can clean up our city!!!!!
The tap program does just that, code has been doing a great job for years, It does not work. The problem people just move into another neighborhood and ruin that one too. Troy is to far gone.
@ 6:30 am Please stop using commas...
CRASH UNIT ALSO DID GOOD AND THAT WASN'T WITH DEAN ALSO OVER 400 HUNDREAD ARRESTS MADE
sounds like some of the boys are jealous of Dave Dean. Too bad -- he got the job done - bottom line
Dean got the job done because he wasn't afraid to get out of the car. You ever see a cop out of the car in Troy in the hood......nope you only see them out of the car pulling over some woman in a safe zone. TPD=troy puzzies department.
@6:30 most of us agree w/ you, The police get way too much money hire more code enforcement I like that approach , and w/ out any thought give these guys what ever they need to solve this growing problem, take a look at 4 th st across from Defazio store there a eyesore there and no one can do anything about it ,,there been a tire, a dresser, several chair in front of 261 4 th st for over a month, This landlord killing the whole block! Can someone address this property, maybe we can get GUSS (landlord) a bull dozer for a gift so he can demo his eyesore,
Thanks for input lorrie Dave keeps code spinning like a top
DD did it for the kids!
SCU worked so well because of the officers that worked it, Dave Dean did start it as the sergeant and then left and it still worked well when he was gone. Jim you say you are a journalist, you should get your facts straight because SCU was picked entirely by seniority, you sign up and the most senior guys got it, NOT HAND PICKED!!!!!!
TEDESCO HAS TO GO
It's not Tedeaco he takes his orders from the mayor..blame the nice guy we elected as our mayor WHAT A BIG MISTAKE I MADE!!!!! If anything Lou has to go!!! Along with the cat lady the preacher and the drug dealer or and can't forget the guy on the council for voter fraud!!!! I'm so sorry I voted for these losers!!!
I would love to hear the well paid whiners, and the retired ones who post here, tell us how you stop random shootings. Do you use x-ray vision, and super hearing like Superman? Let's hear it from J Wright & the rest of the whiners on how to solve the problem. It's not Lou's fault, just as it wasn't Harry's fault. The true culprit is Section 8
Tedesco has done absolutely NOTHING good for the city of Troy, and all he is good for is to con whomever his boss is to let them believe he knows what he is talking about. Tedesco has messed with every single department that was working efficiently, and did the job they were supposed to do. If he doesn't like you then you are either gone, or reassigned somewhere he believes will make you quit. There have been several who chose to leave because they didn't wanna deal with the bull.
He even refuses his officers training, something that can make them more efficient and save their lives and ours, yet he doesn't want to foot the bill! He'll pour money into traffic safety, so we can catch the speeders, and the people talking on cell phones... but he has no balls to stand up to a gangbanger.
Dave don't work for codes no more says billy d
The mayor(Tutunjian)chose the Chief(Tedesco), the Chief chose the policies to implement. When the SCU was in operation it worked. What part of this is not easy to understand?
TEDESCO COULD YOU PUT BACK THE DRUG UNIT THAT YOU DONT THINK WE NEED
And the guy the pba put in there to head SCU after dave retired was terminated for his incompetence yet everyone will blame Tedesco... The pba needs a new leader.
The SCU, contrary to Mr Franco, was NOT created by Sgt Dean. It was implemented under then Chief Nick Kaiser. In addition to Sgt Dean, there were 3 other sergeants who supervised it over the almost 3 years of it's existence. At no time was anyone, Sgt or Police Officer, "hand picked" by Sgt Dean or anyone else.The contractual bidding process was followed and the duration of each bid was any where from 4 to 6 weeks .The SCU was subsequently disbanded under Chief Tedesco who returned the personnel to uniform patrol duties.
Dave Dean coulkd never punch the clown like Rosney, Pat is being framed, FRE PAT, FREE PAT
The ros was punchin the clown for the kids...
Its still Mirches fault...
OK, let's try this again. Sgt. Dean did NOT CREATE the SCU nor did he hand pick who was assigned to it.The SCU was initiated by then Chief Nick Kaiser. The SCU was staffed through the provisions of the collective bargaining agreement between the City of Troy and the PBA via seniority bidding. A bid lasted 4-6 weeks in duration and this was by design because time off was rarely approved and burnout rate was high so new people had to be available to replace officers who rotated out.Sgt Dean was not the only supervisor of the SCU. There were 3 other Sgts. who served as supervisors of the SCU during its nearly 3 years of existence.In the end, Chief Tedesco disbanded the SCU and the officers went back to uniform patrol duties.
Which SOS cop will be next? I bet I know the wright answer. Now we know how he really broke his arm a few years back. I am sure Fitz will say a prayer for Pat and his family. Today was smile Friday in city hall. Its safe to say there were more people smiling at the police station.
Thank god for Vito! He was there to shine a little positive light on what has increasingly becoming a verry dark city especially on what was the darkest day for the Troy Police Department. There is allways something good when you see Vito face. He is absolutely the best public servant in distric 1 just look at the picture in the paper and you can just see how proud the Mayor is in the back ground he has a look like "finally something good for the city". The city of Troy needs more people like Vito. God bless you Vito!
I hope the Mayor's plan to disband the Internal Affairs Bureau is now "off the table" as they say !
rosney did it for the kids
Actually if you go back in history SCU was an extension of a program from the 80's named CRASH. CRASH was very successful fighting crime because we had real cops back then. CRASH was the product of City Manager Dworsky and was led by Sgt Pastore who was not afraid of these creeps controlling our streets.
ACTALLY YOU COULD WALK THE STREETS AND BE SAFE WHEN CRASH WAS OUT THERE NOW YOU CAN'T EVEN SIT ON YOUR PORCH TROY IS A MESS
It wasn't the mayors plan to abolish internal affairs. It was tedescos!
I was surprised to see that Vito was still working at city hall after hearing K McRath tell me, and I quote, "Vito will be fired before Jan 1"
And now, he gets his picture taken with Lou -- priceless!
"It wasn't the mayors plan to abolish internal affairs.It was tedescos!"Really ?? Well the RECORD reported on April 22 that "Tedesco said after getting approval from Mayor Lou Rosamilia the department plans on breaking up the Inspectional Service Bureau" Never saw the mayor refute this so it sure looks like its his plan and he supports his chief.
it was rosneys idea. more time home online
The chief takes all his orders from the MAYOR!!!!! What don't you people understand, go to the council meeting and get on them and the mayor.Troy needs leadership not the bunch of clowns that are there now. Let see Lou walk the streets, he shows up after everythhing is under control. I think he bit of way more then he can chew!! Wait for warmer weather I'm sure Troy will be know as crime city!!! You got what you voted for!!
Never believe what Tedesco says!
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